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 02-14-2005, 11:08 Post: 106051
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The sadly ironic part of this whole story is that shootings like this were the reason cited for the rather draconian laws the government brought in requiring registration of all guns and VERY strict ownership and transportation regulations.

At the time the gun lobbyists argued, apparently very correctly, that if criminals were proposing to use firearms in the commission of a crime, it was highly unlikely they would be concerned about violating gun control laws as well.

The only justification the government could offer was that if there were less guns around there would be less available to the criminals to use.

The legislators apparently figured that nobody would import guns from the U.S., just like nobody imports drugs, booze, smokes or illegal immigrants either, right? Laughing out loud.

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 02-14-2005, 13:02 Post: 106064
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All the news reports of the incident I read or heard called the weapon a "assault-style rifle".

I prefer to think of vigilante-style retribution as the only type of justice where the chances of re-offending are slim to none.

Mind you, I was also raised to think that 'gun control' only means hitting what you aim at.......

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 02-15-2005, 08:41 Post: 106141
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Ann, with all due respect, I do not think for a moment you are not an itelligent person, however I do not think you are looking at the 'big picture' here.

As I stated above, very strict gun regulations in Canada have done NOTHING to curb the violence involving guns.

I would use as the other end of the spectrum, as an example, Switzerland, by law, every male over the age of 18 is aurtomatically an ARMED member of the national militia. Notice I said ARMED. Their regulations are such that every memeber of the militia has and maintains a true 'military assault weapon' at their place of residence. FULL AUTO CAPABLE 7.62mm rifles. In other words every house in which a male over the age of 18 lives has at least one gun in it. They also, by European standards, have very liberal gun ownership regulations.

When was the last time you heard people speak of a mass shooting in Switzerland, or the number of gun deaths there. You don't, because it doesn't happen. Why, because the entire population is taught about it from an early age. They teach gun safety in ELEMENTARY SCHOOL to small children, who grow up with a healthy respect for them, just like hot ovens and big dogs, all of which CAN be dangerous.

This education is so effective that although Switzerland also, unfortunately, has one of the highest rates of teen suicide, almost none of these people use firearms to kill themselves. Even then they act responsibly towards guns.

We live in an open society which depends on adults within that society to live within the limits of acceptable behaviour VOLUNTARILY, unfortunately that does not always happen. We have the police, courts and prisons to deal with the violators.

Gun restriction is the top of a very slippery slope, maybe the next is alcohol, or cars, lots of people kill others by running them over. Maybe they should ban baseball, lots of people are beaten to death every year with a bat.

The bottom line from my point of view, responsibility for actions, period. It is the only thing that has a chance of working. It worked once, it can work again.

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To me the gun control lobyists sound a LOT like the people who say one country should keep it's nose out of the business of it's neighbours business and politics.

I've seen the consequences of both first-hand, it's not a pretty picture. I was in Grenada in the fall of 1983, I saw the dead bodies. The bodies of people who didn't think they were in a situation of civil war either.

"In general I find it really difficult to carry out those sort of principaled decisions on a practical everyday basis."

Nobody said it was easy to do the proper thing.

Unfortunately, even with all the medical miracles we have available today, death is still a permanent condition.

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